New Solo Canoe - Freedom 15'3" and 16'2"

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Re: New Solo Canoe - Freedom 15'3" and 16'2"

Post by Cruiser » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:32 pm

Hi Randy,
I was hoping to have all of my molds done this weekend, but I had a minor setback with the wood. The coving and beading went so well that I routed all of the cedar strips, then realized I should have held back the ones I needed for the inner stems. So back to the lumber yard for more cedar and had to setup to mill more strips.
I have completed the strips, colour matched and laid out the first 21 strips for both sides of the canoe, I figure this will likely take me around the bilge and very close to the football stage. I have the materials and design for the rest, but I couldn't see laying out too much more and likely it will be easier when I have put these strips in place.

I have a couple questions about the molds and would value your feedback. I am using 3/4 particle board for the molds and I have laid out all the cuts (basically allowing 1" spare on each side, 24" is fine for all stations). Is the common approach to just cut them out as rectangles and then do the tracings/transfer?

I stated before I was going to use your mod to the chine, I figured to just use a 3/8" piece of lumber with the middle marked, center that on the chine and mark where it intersects the mold lines. Then use the sander to take off the corner to the marked line. Is that about right?

Just got a load of new C clamps (Canadian Tire has a sale on 60% off) so I am almost set to start stripping .... this is better than Christmas

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Re: New Solo Canoe - Freedom 15'3" and 16'2"

Post by Patricks Dad » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:57 pm

Is the common approach to just cut them out as rectangles and then do the tracings/transfer?
I have always just drawn out all the molds on my full sheets of plywood and then cut them out with a saber saw. I put them as close to one another as possible to minimize the amount of wood I use But I'm sure there any many approaches to this part of the task. I do put the bottoms of each form along the factory edge of the sheet of plywood (you could theoretically save more material by inverting every other form I guess).

Keep the scraps. You can use a couple of them to screw to your strongback station positions to make a cradle to support the canoe when you turn it over. With a little padding, they will make a perfect fit.

As for cutting off the sharp points of the chine, I just drew a line bisecting the angle of the chine on each form and then drew a line perpendicular to that so that it intersected the form lines and created a flat spot wide enough for the small strip. The flat spot should be wide enough to support the cove, the strip but not the bead. If you cut some very short scraps of your strips and put them together you will see how wide the flat spot should be for your strips.

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Re: New Solo Canoe - Freedom 15'3" and 16'2"

Post by Cruiser » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:45 pm

Hi Randy,

I have the molds all installed and have tried the initial strip install, i couldn't wait to see that. But, I think I am going to rethink the start a little, because that step is the most important. I was reviewing your photo log of your Solo build (thank you for that, it is a very good resource) and had a couple of questions.

First, it appears you started with the 3 strips that form the chine. Is that correct, or did you start with the center one first? While on the chine, second question, it looks like you finished the rest of the hull, then went back and did below the chine last, is that correct?

Now that I am ready to start stripping, I am seeing new stuff in your pictures. You used large cable ties to maintain the shape to the hull ( I like this idea) at each mold station. Looks like you fastened them under the sheer line edge, it's a bit hard to tell. How did you fasten them at the bottom (or did you just loop them under)? It looks like you also used a dowel at the keel and I am assuming that is to protect the leading edge from getting crushed?

To compress the strips, is that really just a dowel and packing tape to provide the compression? If it is, that is the simplest solution I think I have seen, so far.

Hope you don't mind answering all these questions, just trying to leverage off of your experience with the design.

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Re: New Solo Canoe - Freedom 15'3" and 16'2"

Post by Patricks Dad » Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:03 pm

I believe I started with the strip below (toward the sheer) the chine. I clamped it in place and then glued the narrow strip to that. Before that, I did double check to make sure that the flat spot on the chine was the correct width to match that narrow strip. Once the narrow strip was glued to the lower strip, I added the strip on the other side (toward the centerline) and worked my way up to close the hull. Once the hull was closed, I worked my way from the chine down to the sheer.

On the long cable ties to hold the strips to the hull, I believe they were screwed to the bottom edge of the forms on each side (two cable ties - male end of one and the female end of the other screwed to the form allowing a mating pair at the center of the hull). I don't think I used the on every station. Just where I thought I needed it. It worked great. The were releasable so I could undo them to put on each subsequent strip.

I did use a 1/4" dowel in the cove of the strip (I build cove up). This allowed me to use strapping tape every 6" to hold the strips in place while the glue sets. You can put tremendous pressure on the joint with strapping tape as well as accurately control the angle between strips as you go around the forms.

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Re: New Solo Canoe - Freedom 15'3" and 16'2"

Post by Patricks Dad » Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:12 pm

Following up on your questions (I think I mis-interpreted one of them). You asked if I used a dowel at the keel (perhaps to protect the cove edge of the latest strip installed). That is just a batten (a piece of cedar stripping) that is used to ensure a 12" separation between the station forms. It's stapled to each form. As the stripping gets to the keel line, I shorten the batten a foot at a time.

But, I did also ensure that there was always a dowel in the cove of the strip at the station mold (and between them) to protect the cove from the cable ties
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Re: New Solo Canoe - Freedom 15'3" and 16'2"

Post by Cruiser » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:06 pm

I took a second look at the picture, I think it was just the size, made it appear that there was a dowel at the keel line, but it isn't really.

I finished lining up the first strips on either side, what a lot of fiddling, but done and looks good. I then took a very deep breath and started carving the stems for the first few planks. First really non reversible step, what a pleasant surprise .... it worked out really easy. Spoke shave was very easy to use, I guess it pays to buy better stuff .... but the real star was the sanding stick I made ( I copied from J. Michne site). It just made the whole job simple.

Tomorrow, I pick up cable ties, packing tape, take another deep breath and glue the first strips in.

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Re: New Solo Canoe - Freedom 15'3" and 16'2"

Post by Cruiser » Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:36 pm

Trimmed the first strip and actually glued the first strip in place. I didn't get ambitious, simply because I wanted to get used to the tape and cable ties. What a pleasant surprise, it worked really well and I am now set to go all out on the planking, I think the chine part is the only really tough spot.

Thanks again Randy, you are giving a lot of very good ideas and making me look really good.

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Re: New Solo Canoe - Freedom 15'3" and 16'2"

Post by Cruiser » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:44 pm

Well, the chine didn't defeat me, it is complete, i am happy with the results and have started installing regular strips towards the keel.

I really like the tape approach, but decided to try the stretchy plastic film they sell to do pallet wrapping. There was a roll left over from my speaker project (it makes a good wood clamp). It also works really well and applies more and even pressure I think ... doesn't seem to be any more work either.

I am hoping to make a good dent in the stripping this weekend.

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Re: New Solo Canoe - Freedom 15'3" and 16'2"

Post by Cruiser » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:22 pm

It's amazing how time slips by when you stripping ... the canoe. This is my progress to date, it is actually recognizable as a canoe now.

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Hopefully, I got the picture load correct.


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Re: New Solo Canoe - Freedom 15'3" and 16'2"

Post by Glen Smith » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:49 pm

Looks great Brian ! Isn't that a good feeling?

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Re: New Solo Canoe - Freedom 15'3" and 16'2"

Post by Patricks Dad » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:44 pm

Awesome progress!
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Re: New Solo Canoe - Freedom 15'3" and 16'2"

Post by Cruiser » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:15 am

Coming up on the transition from vertical to horizontal on the bow and stern stems, have a few butterflies about that, but it has gone so well, so far, I just have to have faith I guess.

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Re: New Solo Canoe - Freedom 15'3" and 16'2"

Post by Patricks Dad » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:21 pm

Keep the faith (and your Michne stick!)
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Re: New Solo Canoe - Freedom 15'3" and 16'2"

Post by Cruiser » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:07 pm

Things are moving along, I cut the centre line on the weekend and started laying the final strips. Since I included an accent strip, I am going slowly to "adjust" the fall of strips , so that the accents line up perfectly. It took a little figuring to come up with a smooth way of adjusting the first few strips to get everything to fit correctly, now that they line up at the start, all the following should be easy (well, easier at least).

I still marvel at how straight the centre line is and I used a chisel and .... the Michne stick ... likely the most useful tool so far.

I am thinking ahead now to seats and such ... there are a few references to moveable seats in this threat, Bosco had one, but that link is broke. Randy, you said yours has 2 settings, but I couldn't see how you did it. I am looking for either a couple of setting or something fully adjustable. I could just slide my pack around I guess, but I like the idea of being able to trim by the seating position as well. I know that I will likely have the seat lower down to give me better stability as well.

Any links or thoughts would be appreciated.

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Re: New Solo Canoe - Freedom 15'3" and 16'2"

Post by Patricks Dad » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:59 pm

My Freedom Solo seats are adjustable in 2 positions as you noted. They are mounted using brass threaded inserts. I have 2 sets (4 per set) installed in under the flanged uni-wale so the seat can be installed in either the forward position (when I have no gear) or in the back position (about 3 inches back) when I have a pack full of gear in front of me. The threaded inserts I used are shown here:

http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page ... te=ROCKLER

The holes that the inserts are screwed into are fully saturated with epoxy to ensure no issues with water intrusion.
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