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Here's a few pics of my next project. It was built in the late 40's or early 50's. In pretty good shape. Hope to just give it a sanding and a few coats of varnish... Interesting construction.
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nice!
looks like a honest, strait forward boat with nothing to distract you from it's lines. i'm a bit surprised not to see ribs! is that a plywood/glass composite?
looks like a honest, strait forward boat with nothing to distract you from it's lines. i'm a bit surprised not to see ribs! is that a plywood/glass composite?
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Not plywood as far as I can tell. Looks like the hull is about 1/16" thick. Like a veneer. The glass on the inside is quite thick.
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Randy, was that a commercially produced boat? It really is a very interesting construction ... like a look back quite a few decades, can you give us any details on the design type?
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I believe the canoe was a home-built canoe. I don't know much about the guy but he built two somewhat different canoes. The other one has 1" wide strips ~1/8" thick and the canoe was constructed in a similar manner (strips laid cross-ways rather than lengthwise). Just based on the age of the builder when he passed away, we're guessing they were built post WWII. Neither had seats (other than small frames that sat on the floor of the canoe with cushions (probably for kneeling on). They are both fairly narrow. The guess is that this canoe was built for his wife Suzy (probably after building the other canoe for himself first).
I'm guessing that he used an existing hull as a form when he built these (two different hulls).
I'm guessing that he used an existing hull as a form when he built these (two different hulls).
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Wow! An interesting lay-up. I think it looks fantastic, I really like the deep amber tones the resin has taken. It looks in quite good shape too. An interesting history, for what you know of it.
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I have seen that type of cloth weave in boats and other things.
Judging by the weave, and the veneer, it was built in a female mold. The mold may have been coated with a clear gel coat, then thin veneer was laid in.
Is there any staple marks ?
Then, I'm guessing the big weave cloth, and Polyester resin could've been applied, maybe the resin was sprayed.
I am just guessing, what do you think Randy ? Does that appear at least feasible ?
How come I never find great things like that ? HA !
Great project ! Have fun Randy !
Jim
Judging by the weave, and the veneer, it was built in a female mold. The mold may have been coated with a clear gel coat, then thin veneer was laid in.
Is there any staple marks ?
Then, I'm guessing the big weave cloth, and Polyester resin could've been applied, maybe the resin was sprayed.
I am just guessing, what do you think Randy ? Does that appear at least feasible ?
How come I never find great things like that ? HA !
Great project ! Have fun Randy !
Jim
Keep your paddle wet and your seat dry!
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Jim,
I doubt you are right. I'm guessing it was made on a male mold. There is a layer of glass on the outside. If it had been built with a female mold with a layer of gel coat, the veneer would have had to have been put in pretty quickly, right? I'm guessing the process of putting in the veneer would have taken longer than the gel coat would allow. I don't see staple holes but haven't looked carefully.
My guess is that it was made by bending the veneer over a male mold (probably an existing canoe) clamped in place somehow at the sheer and then glassed on the outside, removed from the mold and then glassed on the inside (with much heavier glass).
Also, a home builder wouldn't have easy access to a mold (but probably would have access to another canoe).
These canoes apparently sat in a garage for several decades collecting dust until recently dug out when the builder passed away.
I doubt you are right. I'm guessing it was made on a male mold. There is a layer of glass on the outside. If it had been built with a female mold with a layer of gel coat, the veneer would have had to have been put in pretty quickly, right? I'm guessing the process of putting in the veneer would have taken longer than the gel coat would allow. I don't see staple holes but haven't looked carefully.
My guess is that it was made by bending the veneer over a male mold (probably an existing canoe) clamped in place somehow at the sheer and then glassed on the outside, removed from the mold and then glassed on the inside (with much heavier glass).
Also, a home builder wouldn't have easy access to a mold (but probably would have access to another canoe).
These canoes apparently sat in a garage for several decades collecting dust until recently dug out when the builder passed away.
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Randy, you are probably right.
Does it look like a layer of cloth on the outside ? Might the weave be visible ?
It'll be an interesting project for sure !
Jim
Does it look like a layer of cloth on the outside ? Might the weave be visible ?
It'll be an interesting project for sure !
Jim
Keep your paddle wet and your seat dry!
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To me, it kinda looks like it has Prospector lines.
Jim
Jim
Keep your paddle wet and your seat dry!
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Oh yes, there is a layer of 6 oz glass on the outside.
english 20?
It looks to me to be very similar to the English 20 model by William English later absorbed by Peterborough Canoe Co. I believe it is the canoe in the water on the cover of Canoecraft. The first edition of the book actually had those plans available and I don't know why they are not now. It is a wonderful hull. The Old Town Canadienne is also from this lineage via Ralph Freese at Chicagoland Canoe Base.
The heavy, course weave cloth is old fashioned and the resin is likely to be polyester and brittle with age. A very serviceable hull however and a real treasure to find.
The heavy, course weave cloth is old fashioned and the resin is likely to be polyester and brittle with age. A very serviceable hull however and a real treasure to find.
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I agree with Sedges, it does look more like the English 20.
Some measuring would tell more.
Jim
Some measuring would tell more.
Jim
Keep your paddle wet and your seat dry!
a bit more
The construction of this canoe may be developed from the earlier "cedar rib" construction that Peterborough used early 1900s maybe until the mid-1930s. The all wood version had two or more layers of the wide cedar veneers. I guess there were substantial enough glues at that time or else the layers were clinch nailed together. This was, and still is, a very light and rigid construction. It was used also by Willets Canoe Company in WA I believe. Willets had an inner layer of rib oriented veneers with an outer layer of longitudinal strips much like the hulls most of us build.
The canoe we are discussing has only one layer of veneer sandwiched with course, but strong fiberglass/resin. A very good use of more modern materials I'd say.
The veneer construction has made a come-back since the 1980s and with the wonderful resins now available. Very competitive sailing hulls are made the old Peterborough way with several layers of veneer.
Please tell us more about this canoe. I am especially interested in weight.
The canoe we are discussing has only one layer of veneer sandwiched with course, but strong fiberglass/resin. A very good use of more modern materials I'd say.
The veneer construction has made a come-back since the 1980s and with the wonderful resins now available. Very competitive sailing hulls are made the old Peterborough way with several layers of veneer.
Please tell us more about this canoe. I am especially interested in weight.
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Sedges, Thanks for the historical perspective. Very interesting. I did weigh the canoe as it came into my shop. It weighs 55 pounds (heavier than I expected but I guess that thick layer of glass on the inside adds quite a bit of weight). It's just under 16' long. I didn't measure the beam (I'd guess around 32"). I'll measure it next time I'm in the shop.